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Player Ratings: Juventus Season 2009-2010

Just as in the last few years, I figured I’d do one giant Pagelle for the entire season before the new season gets too hectic, as I did in 2007-2008, and 2008-2009. I’ve tried to remain objective of course- I’m no fan of Zebina or Melo, but I’m trying to rate them based on their performances, not their fighting with the fans. Besides, they ended up playing terribly anyways. In general, I follow similar numbering systems to the pagelle in Italy:

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These judges gave better ratings than I did

4- Dreadful. Consistently producing horror shows and generally completely incompetent.
4.5- Poor.
5- Subpar. Never impressing, and while not terrible, never playing well either.
5.5- Mediocre. Not something a player should be pleased with.
6- Decent.
6.5- Solid. Putting in consistently good shifts, though not exemplary.
7- Excellent. Playing well typically, and capable of brilliance.
7.5- Outstanding. Consistently winning MOTM awards.
8- Phenomenal.
9- Legendary.

Injuries don’t directly factor, as that has weighed enough on their performances as is. So without further ado, the Juventus Pagelle for season 2009-2010.

Del Piero v. Ferrara

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From Ciro Ferrara’s interview with the Gazzetta from 6 weeks ago…

At the beginning, you were often compared to Guardiola, but it doesn’t seem that the comparison holds. The Catalan [Guardiola] didn’t coach his old teammates.
At the end, to have to coach some friends was a problem. I always chose with the head, not with the heart, but I wasn’t always understood.

Before accepting Laporta’s offer [President of Barcelona], Guardiola made the precondition of selling Ronaldinho and Deco because they had “conditioned” the locker room, they had too much influence. Were you tempted to do the same with Del Piero?
It’s unthinkable for Del Piero to be sold. Ronaldinho played for Barcelona for 5 years, Ale represents far longer at Juventus. There’s a relationship, there is a great history. But he always wants to play, and at times it becomes a problem. It could be the same next year.

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Del Piero was asked to respond.

“I believe that that interview was done at a particularly emotional moment,” Del Piero said. “I am not saying that to justify Ferrara’s comments, but I believe it was like that. Certainly none of us at Juventus feel like donkeys.” When asked if he did want to play all the time, Del Piero said: “The problem is if a player doesn’t want to play.

“A player must do everything – obviously only on the pitch – to be a started. But I never asked anyone to start regularly. I only asked to be looked at without prejudice and that I be treated equal with the others. It’s my way of thinking and of seeing the situation. If a player deserves to play, whether he be 18 or 36, he should play, because the best players should be on the pitch. The fundamental thing is that the team wins. I have always behaved correctly in the dressing room. For my part, there has always been maximum openness and the utmost desire to do well.”

Tiebreak?

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Alberto Zaccheroni, speaking to Il Giornale:

How did it end this way?
The turning point was Siena, 3-0 after a few minutes, then Grygera lost Maccarone and the team collapsed, then we went to London and there was the disaster against Fulham. In a team, you need quality, legs, and if there weren’t, and lastly, a calm head, and after Siena that didn’t exist anymore. We were there without Iaquinta, Amauri, Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio, and maybe I forgot someone, whereas Fulham had few absences. In general, the first half was solid, and then the second we disappeared. Thankfully, we at least had Del Piero.

Why Del Piero?
“He doesn’t have the strength he used to, but he was the only who consistently put the ball in the net. I used him sparingly, I substituted him, I put him on the bench, he always followed my instructions. He doesn’t have 90minutes left, but he remains one of the best. And with him, I never had any misunderstandings, not even that time of the Marchisio substitution that I didn’t do. They wrote that he was like Totti, that he decided himself the coaching decisions. But even in this situation, we had the same ideas.”

Delneri’s brief thoughts on Del Piero’s role in the team- (Aka, not a mascot like Materazzi)

“Del Piero is a champion. He is a player, not a director. He has his age, but his technical qualities aren’t up for debate. He will be dealt with like all the others. He will play if he is in form.”

I know some people here think Del Piero has too much influence in the locker room, but I think he has the right amount. In a time when our management and coaching has been relatively inexperienced and/or gutless, we needed a leader. However, Del Piero is a very humble guy. I don’t believe for one second that he was demanding to play…only that he wanted to play whenever possible, and yes, there’s a big difference. Perhaps it was simply Ferrara’s inexperience that perceived him to think Alex was pressuring him.

Will he be starting every game this year? No. But he represents something fundamental at Juventus, and even at age 35, he has the desire AND talent to play.

Candreva and Criscito conduct their exit interviews

After the words from Ferrara and Zaccheroni about their tenure at Juve, recently departed Candreva and Criscito have offered their thoughts as well. In line with the young C players…….Caceres may be next.

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Criscito can’t handle the Camo

Criscito, to the Genoa official website:

“It’s a beautiful sensation to feel part of Genoa completely. It’s an honor, and at the same time, an increased responsibility. I will give my best to repay the faith of my president and of the team, which made a large investment. I will return from vacation more dependable than ever, of this you can be certain. In recent days, I’ve been in Napoli, with my family and my relatives. What am I doing? Tonight, for example, I’m going to see my cousin in a dance. Later, I will be going with my wife for some days to Bora Bora, in Polynesia. Now that everything is finished, I can say that it was what I wanted. I had to say certain phrases half-and-half during the last few weeks, but those who knew me well knew that my desire was to continue to wear the Genoa jersey.”

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Man……I can’t believe I didn’t get signed!

Candreva, to TuttoMercatoWeb:

You won’t remain at Juventus, are you a bit disappointed? To be part of a big club is always pleasing, but the option for co-ownership has ended, they made other choices. Now, we’ll see. For now, I am the property of Udinese, I wait for news, we’ll see. Who wouldn’t want to be part of a big team like Juventus? I’m sorry, but never say never.”

Last year Juventus played a poor season, what didn’t work? There were some injuries, and even if that is not an alibi, the year was not one of the best. It can happen, but Juventus will experience a rebirth. There are great players and great champions, and a great coach has arrived who did very well at Sampdoria.”

So there you have it. Criscito, who grew up in the Juve youth academy, seemingly slams the door on ever returning, whereas Candreva, an admitted fan of Roma, leaves it cracked. Which player would you rather see back at Juve?

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While their sons were off hustling in training, Alfredo Criscito and Giuseppe Iaquinta played some foosball

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At least one Iaquinta got some goals in South Africa!

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A Tale of Two Coaches: Zaccheroni and Ferrara speak out about Juventus

In the last few weeks, Ferrara and Zaccheroni have opened up about their short-lived tenures at Juventus now that neither are officially hired by the club. They both have spoken about Diego’s future, whether Del Piero is a problem, etc. Fascinatingly, they come to very, very different conclusions. Before reading the interviews, I would have expected Zaccheroni to be very bitter, and Ferrara a bit less so. Zaccheroni turns out to not be bitter at all, and Ferrara seems moreso, understandably. Both agree on one thing- between the injuries, incompetent management, and poor mercato, the bad season was neither fault. Both interviews after the jump.

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Ciro Ferrara, speaking to the Gazzetta dello Sport:

The situation at Juve had precedence over mine, in the fear of disrupting the environment, I wasn’t able to speak freely. It was better to be silent.

The numbers say that after your sacking, Juventus didn’t improve.

Zac admitted the same thing, who in my regards, was correct. I’m not fixated on statistics, the situation is different month by month. But there exists one certain fact: it wasn’t all my fault.

Who do you send this message to? To the club? The fans? To the players who after your sacking spoke a bit too much?

I have no malice in regard to Juventus or its fans/people, because 16 great years cannot be forgotten because of 6 months. Last week I rescinded my contract, because I want to return to work as a coach, not because I wanted to leave Torino. Having said this, in the days after my sacking I read statements that hurt me. Players are made that way, but phrases like “now, we’re training well” or “Zac finally makes us work on tactics” as if I hadn’t spent hours on the pitch explaining formations and plans…let’s say that my successor was more prepared. The players who got a worse average number of points with him are really donkeys.”

Let’s return to your management. What faults do you recognize?

In general, I don’t want alibis, I feel responsible for the failure. The good start and subsequent rain of praises in some way made the tension dip. At first I was very demanding and things went smoothly. Then I softened a little. Unconsciously, I must have thought that the difficulty was behind me. You can see the inexperience of which I am accused there.

At the beginning, you were often compared to Guardiola, but it doesn’t seem that the comparison holds. The Catalan [Guardiola] didn’t coach his old teammates.

At the end, to have to coach some friends was a problem. I always chose with the head, not with the heart, but I wasn’t always understood.

Before accepting Laporta’s offer [President of Barcelona], Guardiola made the precondition of selling Ronaldinho and Deco because they had “conditioned” the locker room, they had too much influence. Were you tempted to do the same with Del Piero?

It’s unthinkable for Del Piero to be sold. Ronaldinho played for Barcelona for 5 years, Ale represents far longer at Juventus. There’s a relationship, there is a great history. But he always wants to play, and at times it becomes a problem. It could be the same next year.

Felipe Melo, a Juventus quality player, or no?

“He has the quality, but he needs to learn to make himself liked by his teammates. He is anything but a bad guy, but he trained with a lot of arrogance and made many angry, and if someone disrespects others on the field, you notice.”

Will Diego be kept, or offloaded?

“Absolutely kept. He is a good player, and he trains hard and very conscientious. He needs two strikers, who move forward deep because his strength is the pass; unfortunately the tendency of those I had was to come to him. This is why he wasn’t explosive.”

But on the mercato, you didn’t have a voice?

“The call from Juventus [to coach] came all of a sudden. Cannavaro and Diego were already signed, but I had no problems with them. I got along well with them. Grosso I wanted, and I say this because it offended me to read that Lippi had built this team, as if I was merely holding the seat warm for him to come a year later”

Lippi should have returned as a Director General?

A more plausible hypothesis. But he wouldn’t have made the squad selection.

It is always said that among the management, it was missing a concrete “man of the pitch.” A fair criticism?

“The complex period of after-calciopoli wasn’t all wasted, immediately back in Serie A, then the Champion’s League, and 2nd place. It went badly this season, and many of us have paid the consequences. The authority of a football man is missed during moments of crisis, when the management is talking to the squad in a sharp tone, and the players you could read in their faces, them thinking, “Who the hell are you to tell me what I must do?”

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Zaccheroni, speaking to Il Giornale:

If he remained at Juventus, Alberto Zaccheroni would have been the only coach in Serie A who had won a Scudetto. Him and Mourinho, now both are gone.

“He is someone who always needs to have an enemy, but then he gets offensive and that’s not something I appreciate. Tactically, he’s not very good. I sent a few coaches to study him at Riscone, during a training camp of Inter. Every night they called me and said,” Mister, we went, but we’re not learning anything here. Now that he realised Inter would’ve won even without him, he has chosen to leave. President Massimo Moratti had always told me his dream Coach was Fabio Capello.” But at Madrid, Mourinho will do well. No one knows like him how to motivate the players.

He left calcio, but you…

I wouldn’t have kept myself on, without 4th place. However, everything was all done, they asked me to renew my contract, I said I didn’t have time, too much work, 14 games in 42 games and more than half the players injured or carrying injuries while playing.

How did it end this way?

The turning point was Siena, 3-0 after a few minutes, then Grygera lost Maccarone and the team collapsed, then we went to London and there was the disaster against Fulham. In a team, you need quality, legs, and if there weren’t, and lastly, a calm head, and after Siena that didn’t exist anymore. We were there without Iaquinta, Amauri, Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio, and maybe I forgot someone, whereas Fulham had few absences. In general, the first half was solid, and then the second we disappeared. Thankfully, we at least had Del Piero.

Why Del Piero?

“He doesn’t have the strength he used to, but he was the only who consistently put the ball in the net. I used him sparingly, I substituted him, I put him on the bench, he always followed my instructions. He doesn’t have 90minutes left, but he remains one of the best. And with him, I never had any misunderstandings, not even that time of the Marchisio substitution that I didn’t do. They wrote that he was like Totti, that he decided himself the coaching decisions. But even in this situation, we had the same ideas.”

And with the others?

“I was welcomed and wished well by all, they knew in what conditions I was working. Blanc is underestimated, even if he had put a team together of great quality. Felipe Melo was exceptional, during training one on one, no one wanted to mark him, he has an atomic physical strength. Sissoko went through everything, he lived a tragedy, it ended up that he had to take to care of 6 of his wife’s younger siblings, psychologically he was destroyed. Buffon suggested me as coach of the Nazionale, Diego is a world-class player who wasn’t able to adapt to Serie A. He will leave Juventus. When Del Neri arrived at Porto he said: “Diego? A great talent, but he will not play with me.”

So everyone with the coach…

Except for one. He came to me and said, “Mister, I am here but don’t count on me.”

And now?

“Juventus is building a great team. Also because Giraudo, even if he’s living in London, continues to run the assets of the Agnellis. (notably Umbero, father of Andrea) Juventus will be the primary antagonist to Inter.

WHERE THEY AGREE:
-Injuries predetermined the season
-Diego is a great player

WHERE THEY DISAGREE:
-Felipe Melo in training: Ferrara says he disrespected his teammates and was arrogant, Zaccheroni says he was a model professional and worked hard
-Diego’s Problems, and Future: Ferrara indicates the team wasn’t built properly with him, which I am in full agreement with. Zaccheroni says he didn’t adapt properly to Serie A. Ferrara says Diego must stay, Zaccheroni doesn’t opine on it, merely stating that he will be sold.
-Del Piero’s role in the team: Ferrara says he did occasionally cause problems by his desire to play, Zaccheroni said he was a perfect professional and never challenges his coaching role

So there’s a lot of questions these two bring up, one thing to consider is their history. Zaccheroni is an experienced coach, and thus perhaps never had issues with Felipe Melo or Del Piero in terms of authority, which might explain why Ferrara did. Overall, I understand Ferrara’s anger, I think it is curious, in an interview last summer he said he never really wanted to be a coach, but now it looks like he’s certain to continue. I also think Zaccheroni conducted his interview with class, despite questionable player selections, I think Zac is a decent coach and could do very well with a mid-table/EL team.

And lastly……WHO was that player who refused to work with Zac? People on VecchiaSignora.com generally have agreed that it was Camoranesi. I figure we can rule out Del Piero, Felipe Melo, Buffon, Sissoko, and Diego, who he spoke well of. People generally agree it’s unlikely to be Cannavaro and Trezeguet, given their demeanor and playing time under Zac. (Although it could be Canna, given that he knew Juve wouldn’t sign him longer, and he was preferred by Lippi/Ferrara.) That leaves a few others, and some have nominated players who didn’t play much under Zac. Not sure that could be it though, given that I assume the player mentioned it to start with, so I don’t think it’d be someone who didn’t play much under Zac.

Plenty to discuss in the two interviews. Thoughts?

In Defense of Diego

Over the past few weeks, the end-of-season reviews have been coming in, and most have labeled Diego as a major flop, Goal.com named him as the #1 transfer flop, and also in their Worst XI of the season. Juventini and non-Juventini alike have blamed him for our poor season, but they could not have been farther from the truth.

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If You Haven’t Noticed, Our Team Kinda Sucks: First, institutionally, Juventus have incredible problems. The team was not built correctly to use a trequartista, during much of the season we have been playing with rubbish fullbacks, two defensive midfielders, and two static prima puntas. That doesn’t work. The team wasn’t properly built for the 4-3-1-2. Second of all, Diego is coming in from a foreign league to a badly struggling club. Difficult to make a real impact.

Diego Has Been Plenty Effective:

We just don’t notice how solid Diego has been because our team sucks so bad. Naturally, despite Juve’s failings this year, Diego was expected to waltz in and score Kaka-style goals. Unrealistic, but the Roma game set up high expectations. I have no doubt given a better lineup, Diego will be more prolific in scoring goals.

Diego has been labeled as a major failure in recent weeks, but it wasn’t really until yesterday that I realized how great he has been. While looking through the video of all Juventus goals from this season, I noticed how omnipresent Diego has been. I went through the videos and counted up how many goals Diego assisted, scored, or was involved in and calculated it against the total. Turns out he’s directly influenced 45% of Juve’s goals from this season. Not bad for someone coming in from a different league, particularly when you consider that Diego hasn’t played every game, whether due to injury (see last fall) or being rested. Counting the games he missed, it probably boosts it to somewhere around 55% or so, another words, he directly caused a goal more than every other game. Look at the second video, how often his set piece, cross, or accurate pass opened the game up and led to a goal.

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He’s been barreled down a bit.

Nnahoj gave another great reason why Diego doesn’t deserve to be labeled a flop, in simpler statistics-

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24 games, 4 goals, 6 assists

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33 games, 5 goals, 7 assists (Coppa Italia goals v. Inter and Napoli as well)

While watching Juve games this season I always used to think that Diego was probably the most fouled player in the league. According to ESPN Soccernet, he was fouled 103 times in Serie A this season. Sneijder was fouled 38 times, by the way.

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Has Diego played better than Sneidjer? Probably not. But given the simple numbers, it seems pretty clear that both have been protagonists for their club, and Inter’s success means Sneidjer is the “transfer of the season” and Juve’s miserable season has meant that Diego is the “Flop of Serie A.” Maybe it has something to do with Inter’s defense being rock solid (Lucio, Samuel, Chivu, Maicon, etc.) and Juve’s being piss-poor, conceding more than Atalanta?

So why is Diego considered such a flop? Simple- He’s not scoring as much as he did in the Bundesliga, Juve’s season has been piss poor, and the Roma game got everyone’s expectations very high. However……the numbers don’t support it, and I feel bad that Diego has taken so much criticism. Despite being jeered and criticized, Diego has never reacted badly to the tifosi and has played his heart out for the team this year. He doesn’t deserve the criticism, he deserves a reinforced squad and the support of the fans.

All Juventus Goals, Stagione 2009-2010

First thing I noted from this video was how often Diego was involved in the goals. Flop? I think not. He might not have lit Serie A on fire…but he produced.

Wait, What? She’s Not Going To Be There?

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Great. As if we needed another reason not to watch this game.

22 called-up for last championship match

For the match on Saturday against Milan, the last of the 2009/10 championship, Alberto Zaccheroni called-up 22 players. Sissoko, Grygera, Giovinco and Chimenti will stay in Turin. All the others are available.

1 Buffon
2 Caceres
3 Chiellini
4 Felipe Melo
5 Cannavaro
6 Grosso
7 Salihamidzic
8 Marchisio
9 Iaquinta
10 Del Piero
11 Amauri
13 Manninger
15 Zebina
16 Camoranesi
17 Trezeguet
18 Poulsen
26 Candreva
27 Paolucci
28 Diego
29 De Ceglie
33 Legrottaglie
44 Piccolo

Milan also call up 22 players

For the last match on the Milan bench, (as announced today during a press conference), Leonardo called-up 22 players. Amongst the rossoneri unavailable is suspended player Flamini as well as Bonera, Kaladze, Ambrosini and Beckham.

This is the complete list as published on the website www.acmilan.com: Abbiati, Dida, Abate, Antonini, Favalli, Jankulovski, Nesta, Oddo, Romagnoli, Thiago Silva, Onyewu, Zambrotta, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Adiyiah, Borriello, Huntelaar, Inzaghi, Mancini, Pato, Ronaldinho.

  • By the looks of the call-ups, Zaccheroni isn’t going to go with our primavera for the last match of the year. Way to go loser. Pack your bags along with Secco (and Leo) and get the fuck out of here.

IERI… OGGI… DOMANI… SEMPRE JUVE!!!

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